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Dear friend ; congratulations for your page. I am member of woodgas@yahoogroups.com. and gasificationlist of Tom Miles . My gasifier is made for charcoal use and is in Wood gas photos. Now I´m working in column to distill ethanol for drive in hybrid mode; using also ethanol to drag or in Toyota Prius generating electricity with stationary source and with waste heat distill ethanol to fuel E85. Congratulations again; Benjamin
Jonathan, Glad you added a front shot of the deer killer. Mike
Nice job Jonathan! I am watching. If I ever get my projects caught up woodgas sounds like a possibility. I just filled up my turbo Mustang tonight with premium, OUCH! If the prices keep going up I may have to re-order my projects! Keep plugging away. Dan Nicoson
Morning from Malagash, Nova Scotia. I have been getting my head around this stuff for many years and have built units for heating use but nothing for engine use. I felt making the proper fuel in the volumes I needed out of the question. Last year I sold my shop to a fellow who builds trusses. The ends are supposed to come to me as part of the deal. That happens as long as no one comes to buy the pile. I am a pretty good bodger and if you could recommend a plan that would work for a 366 IH diesel, and a 5 liter F150 ( 90 version in good shape ) I would start scrounging and welding. Thanks for all your work on the site. Hearing that a fulel injected car engine can be converted really cheered me up! Regards, Charles Bay Enterprises Limited Malagash, NS, Ca. B0K1E0 019022572690 fax 019022572098 email bayent@ns.sympatico.ca or malagashoyster1@yahoo.ca
Hi Jonathan, I am writing from Namibia in Africa. Have been getting lots info over the last 6 weeks, Collected about 30 propane tanks, 2 x 5HP Robin Petrol Engines, oh sorry gas engines. 1 Robin 5 HP diesel, one 6 cyl Perkins (no turbo) and a 514 4 cyl Deutz for initial experiments. Have background in electronics and mech engineering, huge workshop w 10 t overhead crane, all welding equipment, 3 lathes and a milling machine. I like what you guys are doing and if it is OK I am going to contact you again and let you know when the first engine is running. Expect to have problem with "clean gas", but time will show. Regards Winfried
Jonathan, I got out of this 'wood gas' idea because every time I used my gasifier to run an engine, I had all sorts of problems. Back then(2005) I could not get clean gas. I just got some plans to make my own charcoal and am beginning to read the lists again in hopes this may be what I need. Bob Foley, West of Honey Creek, Iowa, on the Missouri River.
The FEMA style of gassifer has a lot of problems. I use a variation of the imbert style of gassifer with a fixed oxidization zone and a full reduction zone. This way I know all the gas being produced is drawn through a hot bed of charcoal, effectively cracking all the tars. I am assuming by clean gas you are referring to tars in your gas not soot. Removing soot is just a mater of filtration. Tar on the other hand is a sticky goo in the gas.
I am very interested in wood gas and live in Alabama. Could you have Wayne Keith contact me? Thanks, Nick
Good stuff, keep up the good work.
I realy like your web.. I have started to collect parts for a FEMA type gasifire to run my lawn tractor to gain some experince , and it should be easy to plumb ,, and after I learn more ,start on a truck,, I was very happy to see that fuel injection engines can work.. Im excited and want to learn more ,,, is there any one in NE iowa or SE MN out there.... thank you,,,,, Jeff
Nice web page!!
Thank you so much for your help. I am experimenting with modified Pogue carb. built with copper tubing instead of sheet metal. I am also researching hydrogen at the moment, as well as wood power. A friend of mine used wood power after WW2. Wayne at jimfleet@eoni.com
Dear Jonathan, Thank you for your interesting article, nice work and keep going. Wishing you success to keep people around with wood gas, good luck. Dodo achadiatasiandi@yahoo.com
Hey J, Guess you got all that spambot stuff under control. Lots of interesting comments here. I won't have time to keep up with it. Hope the newspaper thing pans out. We could have a meet in mid Iowa somewhere ?? Woodgas convention and camp out ?? I have a little camping (1960 Serro Scotty) trailer to pull behind the truck and can probably keep 500 pounds of wood dry in it :o) and sleep of course .. Does your truck have rear seats ?? .. Please add some more pictures of your truck to this and the other venues. TNX, Mike LaRosa
J, Duh, I see standard cab. Forget the back seat question. I was just thinking kids in cab and trailer behind .. My truck has the extended cab but I don't have to think about the kids now. Just more room to keep fuel, spare parts, and tools dry .. Mike
I wish I had a crew cab like a 1994 F-250 4x4, with a 460 motor. Now that I got a handle on this ford efi computer, it would be a sweet conversion. I bet I could even mak it look stealthy like one of waynes woodgas rigs. Wayne easly tows anything with his ford 460 on straight woodgas. But you got to make do with what we got. Someday.....
Hi There, Great Website! I've been reading everything I can about woodgas the past few months. We need more sites like yours. Please include more information of your gas producing system. Too Cool :-) Pete R. Pan www.boatbuilding.piczo.com
Jonathan, Thanks for adding the link regarding the Nebraska laws .. I really don't have a clue what they could do in Wisconsin. I tried to find out but it went in circles. I'd just close my valves up and have it run on starter fluid until the encounter was over .. Maybe tell them it's all for show ?? .. I am almost always at least 10 to 20 years older than the cops that are on patrol and our local law enforcement all know me and just wave or stop by for a beer or to hunt .. Guess that's one of the reasons I live here and not in a G.D. city .. Mike
Well the local newspaper came out and did a story on my truck, they asked the obvious question. Is it legal? Luckily I had already done some preliminary research before I started my project. I searched all of the motor vehicle laws in my state and found that it was all about taxes, of course. Not that I am opposed to paying my share of taxes, but I am not going to pay them if they are not required. Especially considering that I do use some gasoline in my truck, that I do pay taxes on. Indecently the news paper contacted the department of revenue to get their take on my vehicle. They need to offer both sides, of course. My understanding at this time is that the department of revenue may have a possible disagreement with my understanding of the law. The article has not been published yet but I was given a heads up. I put the page up so everyone can clearly see what the law actually states. I am legal as far as I am concerned. I would not be opposed to giving input on what my thoughts are on a fair taxation system for alternative fuels that are not covered by existing laws.
Great job and keep up the good work! Big-G in NC
http://journalstar.com/articles/2008/05/29/news/local/doc483de2c0af079325623826.txt
You sure are an inspiration to others.
Good going, Jon. I am pleased to see your continuing engine-uity. You do us proud! If you get back out to the Pacific North-West, look us up. April & Clyde, North Puget Sound area April1440@AOL.com
More tweaks to the guest book, dang spam bots anyway.
Excellent Alternative Fuel Website Nice and simple antibot interface beets the garbled text graphic method. nice webwork. Maybe a FI EEC software mod so we can get a bit of ga$o-lie-n or wood alcohol, only if the driver goes wide open throttle. ie: the wife mats it so she gets all the power possible... I believe the blower should keep a flare going at the producers sweet spot and the engine draws gas from below the flame. An O2 censor on the producer will shutdown the blower and system as soon as the gas quality changes ie:wood hopper low on fuel or a bridge. The flare on a stationary units heat can be useful somewhere else.... Lets move the tech from the 17th to the 21st ! ! ! with magnetic O2 separation for primary air and electronic non-thermal Plasma gas polishing reactor before the police filter. Dave
John--I'm a high school science teacher in Trenton, NE---been using a lab that we heat wood or coal and drive off the gas which will then burn--quite a smelly lab--your work sounds like a greaat idea for a student project in high school---first learned about you in today's World Hearld (7 June 2008) Cliff Johnson cjohnson@hcfalcons.org
Jonathan, Look for the rogue barn roof painters in your area. I just obtained several nice drums from an old friend. Only downside is they have aluminum powder in them but this can be hosed out. They have the clamp rings on top as well. Mike
Great job, keep it up! jetboatjohnny (running on CNG in California)
Hi Jon, you have a great website and it is full of usefull information...I have been working with alternative feuls for many years...I've decided to abandon alcohol as a feul since I live in town...my grass alcohol sorta smelled bad...REAL BAD... So I'm building a sorta hybrid...cross between a Imbert and a Stratified gasifier...I'll be running a 10 horse Briggs pulling a generator...after I get my feet wet I plan on building a unit for my jeep and garden tractor...I am so glad I found this site.....A MILLION THANKS renegadespec@mywdo.com
Many thanks for your fine work. Where can I find a good drawing of an efficient wood chip gasifier that I can build for use on my small farm in Southern Ohio. Any thoughts would me most appreciated. Respectfully: Walter J. Robb www.anicama.freedomroad.us
The FOA 72 document is a good resourse for wood chip gassifers
I am tired of being manipulated by who knows.Gas should never have reached this insane level. I own 5 acres of woods and came across the article about a man in Sweden using woodgas. I certainly am interested in additional information. Thanks John
Thank You for the info. The issue with tax nuts makes my blood boil. Can't they see the labor you put out to burn woodgas and that it's helping everyone when your not in competition with them at the paying gas pump.
FirstI have everheard about wood gas....very interesting projects......I just purchased a Gem electric car but it is for local use only.
i am an indian farmer and i need about 100 hp of electricity. i am looking for technology that can power old diesel engines with woodgas Amit N Sinha, Gramanchal, Dev Vihar Entrance, Civil Lines Pt Shankar Dutt sharma Road Moradabad UP 244001 India
The FOA72 document in the download section does have some good information on woodgas used in diesel motors. However you need to understand that you will still be using some diesel to ignite the woodgas, unless you spend some serious money on a spark ignition coversion.
I am working on a generator, I may try and contact you. It's a great potential for some of us..Zeb
I am working on a generator, I may try and contact you. It's a great potential for some of us..Zeb
Hi interested in wood/biomass fuelled gasification systems
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Jonathan, great site,nice work. Have been running wvo, 2 tank system for 3 yrs, want to go to wood on a truck as grease is getting harder to come by with all the interest in biodiesel. Can you run a fuel inj. motor on wood gas without the ECC changes etc? Keep up the great work. Regards, Larry spyk838@msn.com 1985 peugeot, 1997 MB 300sdl.WVO
Hi My name is Rob Knotts. I'm a lecturer in mechanical engineering at a university in Manchester UK. What a marvellous site with lots of fantastic information. Well done. I'm currently designing and building a steam powered bicycle. My follow up project will be a bicycle powered by an engine using wood gas as a fuel.I would house the wood gas generator in a sidecar. I have known about wood gas as a fuel for some time but am only just getting to grips with it. My background is aeronautical engineering. While I can't see Boeing being interested in my ideas I can see value in designing land and water based vehicle powered by woodgas. My home email is robert.knotts@btinternet.com If anyone wants to exchange ideas etc please feel free to email me.
Nice site! I actually am using woodgas for an entirely different application, metalcasting. I have built a version of the "Dassifier" off of woodgas.com's site, and have sucessfully used it. I live in Maine, so access to "biomass" (wood) is pretty easy. The foundry burner gassifier is a very simplified version, and tar production isn't a real big concern. It all burns in the foundry. It does show the potential of woodgas, though. I will eventually build a woodgas burner that is capable of cast-iron temps. I eventually would like to experiment with a vehicle, but that is about three or four dozen projects down the road. Thanks!
Whoops! Forgot to add my name, I'm the guy with the foundry burner. Peter Grant, oddduckfoundry(at)msn-dot-com.
hi, greg kendall,kendalls tree service here, and i am new to your site---it is my hopes to convert many of the branches and trunks of trees my service ends up with, into wood gas to fire a boiler and run a genset.--i am starting from scratch,but think i have most of the tanks and pipes and fittings to do the job---refinery welder i once was, so i have a lot of fab experience too.. how can i figure out how big a gasifier to tackle to make this cleaver-brooks boiler i have(it ran on natural gas) work?? any help you can give me would be great. thanks gregk360@aol'com
Jonathon, Done any more work with the Ford EFI/woodgas? You'll remember I just shut off the fuel pump when the gasser was up to temperature, but then I get a code that says "WTF...fuel pump circut is off, and were doin' 60?" Still: Heya mules! Andy
Hi, I'm terry@terryking.us www.terryking.us I'm just starting on a long-term project to build an efficient (probably electronically controlled) charcoal gassifer for IC engines.
Andy you must be running a "newer" OBDII rig. My truck is OBDI and doesn't throw a error when the fuel pump kill switch is thrown. You may want to contact MIke LaRosa, he might be able to give you some in site into wiring up some dummy injectors.
Terry using charcoal has a few upsides but far more downsides. It is relatively easy to get consistent fuel quality with charcoal, but you lose like 80% of the useable fuel converting wood to charcoal. So unless you have a ready supply of charcoal, I might rethink doing a charcoal system.
I've read the World Bank files really interesting!Have started gathering some watertanks to build a small Gasifier,looking for a Detroit 3-71 diesel to produce electricity running dual fuel. It looks like this is easier to maintain constant RPMs. I saw the pics of your current project looks great!Will the MEN design work well on diesel? Thanks for the help. Ron Lemler
Ron, Send me an email, I would love to discuss your project. My addy is under contact info. Jonathan
Hi riley f******* from wisconsin I have been wondering how to build a woodgas foundry as i do not like the idea of buying propane and charcoal was a a pain. I was wondering if there was any design out there thanks!
Jonathan, Great site! Where there's a Wood There's a Way! Keep on truckin' Mark
You can look up plans for the Dansifer for a woodgas foundery. Jonathan
I find the Yahoo Woodgas group very interesting... Would the local St Charles Mo County Library have much on the FEMA Gasifier ??? Don Miller in Western St Charles County,,,in the State of MO...
I'm looking to build a wood gasifier to power my barn and heat my chicken coop in the winter. I have 5 acres of trees to trim and don't just want to burn them all in the fire place all live oak. I'll take any ideas at wnt2bglfn@myway.com
any idea on how I can convert my outdoor wood boiler into a woodgas generator? seems to me it is trying to do that anyway...like when I load it with carboard ...over a bed of hot wood coals...and shut off the air intake supply (except for smokestack)then look at it an hour later the cardboard is not burnt but has a "baked" look.
email address for the "baked" cardboard submit is dsmiller@lakedalelink.net
Hi Rhys here from australia i am interested in building a permanant wood gas rig in an open shed, pump the gas into large ballons then compress it into gas cylinders does anyone have any info that may help with this? i am mainly interested in how to compress gas without it heating up to much, i was thinking of a hydraulic ram system with a water cooling jacket rhys_costello@hotmail.com
Hi Rhys, I hate to put a damper on anyone's desire to work with woodgas. But I need to make you aware of some information. Woodgas is a low BTU fuel it only has 150 BTU a cubic foot hence it actually takes more energy to compress it to even 1000psi than you will ever get out of the compressed woodgas. Even more discouraging is the simple fact that one of the major combustible gaseous components CO is relatively unstable under higher compression. Under compression the CO will gravitate towards CO2, this process is rapidly increase as the molecules get more tightly packed together under compression…. CO + CO = CO2 + C …. So basically you soot out a carbon to the container wall. The third obstacle is a mute point but the storage capacity needed to store a usable amount of woodgas (if it didn’t degrade and you could economically compress it) is ridiculous. Woodgas is used on a 50/50 mix with fresh air. So 1/4 of a four cycle’s engines displacement is consumed in woodgas every revolution. So take a typical 4L motor that is 1 liter of gas per revolution. Run the motor at say even a high idle say 1000 rpm that is 1000 liters of gas a minute or 60,000 liters an hour. Now do those calculations on the gas compressed. Jonathan
Hey this is Eric You only met me a couple of times. Heathers high school friend. Dude your truck is awesome. How do you get the gas clean of soot before it gets to the truck? Would it be pointless for me to put something like this on the back of my motor cycle and try to drive? http://www.windmeadow.com/node/46 It seems to be small enough I have my idea for desooting is a water filter the gas. like bubble it through water. I don't know how you guys measure stuff but I think my bike uses less btu then that flame my bike is low hp. it gets 60 miles to the gallon.
This is the most exciting thing I have stumbled upon since the humanure handbook! I need to get an engineering qualification and learn how to weld... Imagine a microturbine on the back of a woodgas fuel plant and the possibilities are endless! http://www.microturbine.com/prodsol/products/index.asp (I am not affiliated I simply searched google) Nicholas Llewellyn ukdutypaid@gmail.com http://lilnick.co.uk
Great Site! I read that you are having filtering problems. You might be interested in this National Geographic show. They set up a two stage system that uses a conical cylinder to create a self-powered cyclonic filter...think Dyson vacuum cleaners. Much of the larger particulates drop to the bottom of the tube and are easily cleaned out. The second stage is a barrel filled with clay pellets. Thanks for spreading the word! Gary
Sorry forgot the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8L6kFAWtJA&feature=related The show is Planet Mechanics and the episode is Tree Powered Truck. Gary
Hello Riley from Wisconsin here. Does anyone have a plan for the woodgas powered foundry.
Hi Riley, Do a web search for the Dansifier. I think I spelled that right.
Hi , Iam just getting started iam planning on building a wood gas generator to make my own electric for my house i have an outdoor wood burner for heat that i use now for my house i have a Deutz diesel engine tha i want to use to run a generator to make my own electric so iam looking how maybe i can use my outdoor wood burner and use the gases off it ???? i dont know but iam going to try this is a very interesting site Thank You Harry
Hi Harry, Your idea has been proposed before, I see a couple of problems trying to use your existing outside wood burner for a combined heat and power (CHP) setup. Problem #1 any woodgas produced from a standard outdoor wood burner would likely be a tarry gas and would seriously damage an internal combustion engine. Problem #2 all standard outdoor (or indoor for that mater) wood burner are designed to get all the available energy of the wood converted into heat (complete combustion). Woodgas is a product of high temperature incomplete combustion. However I do believe that a CHP installation is possible, but the system must be designed from the beginning to produce clean, tar free, woodgas so that it may be run in an internal combustion engine. Then you recover the heat from the motor running the generator. When you are not running the generator you could still use the same gas to heat water, possibly using a modified natural gas hot water heater. A word of caution though make sure you fully understand the safety risks associated with woodgas before undertaking any project. Read the FOA72 document!!
I'm the gal in the dark blue KIA that circled the Edgewood parking lot to ask you about your "FANTASTICAL" creation!!! I've told people about it,and am greeted with total disbelief,to which I direct them to your site! I feel this is just pure "GENIUS",and CONGRATULATE you on being something VERY RARE,a "THINKER"! Keep the GREAT ideas coming! CINDY herwings60@yahoo.com
great site, found lots of info I was looking for. I still don't think this is fully the answer as you would eventually run out of burnable mass if everyone went this way. but for those few of us that are willing to do something different, more power to us. thank you for taking the time to put up the site. Jason mayes
Just found your site after only recently learning about woodgas from a youtube video. I plan to build a generator and will let you know how it goes. Thanks for the help I already got from your site with the downloads. Thanks Bo
Hi Jonathan, just stopped by to see what you're up to. Laura Cozad
Hey Jonathan! I just read most of your website and am really proud of what you are doing! I knew all that tinkering you did as a kid would some day pay off. It was just wondering what you were going to take apart next that had me concerned at times. Keep up the good work son! Love you, Mom (Kathleen Spreadborough)
Hi big Brother this is your sis in law sharri mom told me you have a web site so I thought I would check it out
Really like your site. I live in Bellevue NE. I am looking to build a stationary woodgas generator for a small electrical generator. (approx 6hp) I have welding and fabrication materials and skills. ( bridgeport mill etc.) I would like to get my small project rolling soon. I would appreciate any initial design suggestions from an experienced builder. Also can help with welding and fabrication of components. thank you Bill stratman250@hotmail.com
Hi. I was wondering if there is a commercially available wood gas generator available in the marketplace yet? I'm new to this but have an abundance of wood and would love to live off the grid.... thanks...
Great site, Im planning on living off the grid and have found your site to be very informative keep up the great work Cheers Jay
Great site, Im planning on living off the grid and have found your site to be very informative keep up the great work Cheers Jay
Hi Jonathan: Your site is a pleasure to browse. I'll be adding a link to it in mine - keep up the good work. Best regards, Jim Starr jims@five-shades-of-green-energy.com
I'm interrested in building a 39 ford truck with a cosmeticly correct Imbert system but internally modernized filters etc. and a modern small truck engine with the 10 to 1 compression I've read is best for wood gas use. I've heard Solex made a special carb for woodgas use. How is the mixture regulated with your systems? Have you ever seen any sources for technical info and specs. for the original imbert systems? Thanks Dana fmsteele@sbceo.org
Hello Jonathan from wet Yacolt Washington. When i first found your site in Oct 08 the WBTP 296 was still downloadable. Thanks!! I have now found an alternative (so far free) download site for this. Keep up the good work - my own goals are for 6-15KWe units. Really, really tough to conserve and focus the heat to make these work. Should keep me out of trouble for awhile. Regards SteveU.
hello jon, I will be traveling through Alabama with my family at the end of June. Is there any way to arrange for an appointment with Wayne Keith. As a part time rancher, I appreciate the demands that are on his time. Matt Gotthardt
i am interested in building a wood gas powered generator.do you have a working set of drawings or plans? also cost is a important issue due to economy and my job situation.
would just like to know more about it. william bue lefsaepress@yahoo.com
Just found this site. I am looking for information on wood gasification. I hope to gain the knoledge to buil an efficient wood boiler & also be able to pull off a little syngas to run a stand by generator. Sounds wild, but I believe it can be done. So I am digging for engineering info, as well as back yark DIY's that have made it work for ideas and sugestions ( but I do notwant to here about not building a boiler because it can be like a stick of dynamite) I work in this field on a commercial & industrial level every day,so I am aware of the dangers. I also do not intend to build a pressure vessle, it will be atmospheric even though my welding certs specify presure vessle & boiler I will not build a pressurized system that is wood fired. Just to many variables to deal with at the back yard engineering level !
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I just purchased a 1995 Ford F150 with a 4.9L inline 6 to install my gasifier in and a friend turned me onto your website. I like what you've done and was wondering if your electronic fuel mapping/timing would be compatible with my truck? Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Luc Gosselin elevatorman@shaw.ca
Nube at wood gasgening I built one but never got anything out of it but smoke. Will rework it. I like this site good information here. I retired 69 year old welder fabricator mining equip. repair. have time to work on it just not much $$.
Send me an email I would be happy to share what has worked for me and others. Jonathan
I would love to run my car for free!
hey All ,, i'm excited abt wood gas ! i never knew.. but that aside ,, i'm wondering if this "green" method is applicable to run engines to turn turbines to produce electricity ! i guess it's a dumb question since i saw it drive a pickup ! my hope is that u will tell me if it can since i'm trying to get the govt of a people to do this on a large scale to supply electric power for all needs 24/7 ! wood they have ,, more than they know what to do with it !... thanks for ur time michael in md....
I was reading your blog for the first time and had a brain spark. How would a water filter work on your smoke. I was picturing a water pipe with your smoke running through it. Does that sound productive Clarence Aviles P.S. I arrived in Zion yesterday.
I have been looking at building a wood gas device with a small difference. I want to use pellets like the pellet stoves use. Has any one done this that you know of? If yes what was there results? Lee_lvd@yahoo.com
I would like to see some proven wood-gas design units for autos/trucks here ! I am in the proccess of making a Woodgas producer for my Old dodge truck... problem is there is very few designs on paper, the FEMA is looked down upon by allot of people but they do not show an alternative design ! ... Great site...Thank you Bob Kelly
Greetings Jonathan, I finally had the time to check out your site, Great Work !!! keep it up. Greg Manning, Canadian Gasifier Ltd.
Hello Jonathan, I have been looking for a viable source of energy for some time and I have finally found your site. I am very interested in learning more about this technology, also interesting about the tax bit hmmm. I am looking to run a alternative system for power production and locomotion if you could drop me a line some time that would be great. email: towersallan@yahoo.ca
Great to see someone is pulling the gas group together to share ideas. I'm doing a lot of research before I begin to build. Two things I'm still wondering about is, has anyone tried burning small logs vs. chips etc. and has anyone tried using the heat off the manifold of an engine to help make more gas? If you would care to answer these questions, my email is JHaquarian@aol.com Thanks for running the site. Jeff
Hi My name is Robert Carrow and I am interested in heating and gasification with wood. Thanks for the web page. As of yet I have not succeeded to produce anything that works. Bob
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Thanks for this great site with all the helpful information. Will
A tinker by nature and member of a Live Steam ride-on train Club... Very interested in alternate energy for internal Combustion Engines., Great site to learn from...
Hey Jonathan and folks, Thanks for all your work on this. I've been poking around in woodgas pages and see at least one name I've seen elsewhere. Looking for info/guidance on producing woodgas to power an old gas burning stove from the 20's. Would be outside in a weatherproof "cabinet" off the deck for summer use; canning, etc. The unit has a wood chamber at the same level as the gas burners. Would the gas source need to be below or is that something you could work around? I am NEW to building a gasifier. Want to end up with biochar for the garden as well as heat for cooking/processing food in the summer. And able to feed the process over time. Saw articles on the Lucia Stove. Sweet. Happy New Year
Well, it ain't pretty but it does seem to get the job done in a pinch. Thanks for sharing this info. Z
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Some of your answers to the FAQ's are not apparently correct, especially concerning compression and storage of Wood Syngas, check this out... Published by the American Society of Agricultural and Biological Engineers, St. Joseph, Michigan www.asabe.org Citation: Applied Engineering in Agriculture. 25(1): 121-128. @2009 Authors: P. Yang, E. P. Columbus, J. Wooten, W. D. Batchelor, P. R. Buchireddy, X. Ye, L. Wei Keywords: Syngas, Syngas storage, Syngas compression, Temperature variation, Gasification, Tars, Bioenergy, Biomass The objective of this research was to study the syngas storage characteristics in terms of any variation in composition of H2, CO, CH4, CO2, and N2 under two pressures (2758 and 8274 kPa) and three temperatures (-288K, 288K, and 318K). We also evaluated tar, particulate, and moisture content of the stored syngas. Syngas generated from a down-drift gasifier using 95% hardwood chips as the feedstock contained an average of 17.0% H2, 23.9% CO, 1.4% CH4, 11.0% CO2, and 46.7% N2. The compositional elements of the stored syngas under different pressures and temperatures were periodically determined for a three-week period of storage. The statistic model of a single-factor experiment with repeated measures on treatments was used to perform the data analysis with the SAS program. Statistic analysis revealed that the temperature range from -288 to 318K had no effects statistically on the major syngas composition at the tested pressures. Pressures up to 8274 kPa had no effects statistically on the major syngas composition at the tested temperatures. The variations of the syngas components measured were probably due to analysis and instrumental errors. At both pressures, the CO composition had a bigger variation than other components and, as the temperature varied, the CO composition varied more than the other components. Mechanisms of the relatively bigger variation of the CO concentration were not fully understood and may be partially contributed to the pressure and temperature variations. Tars were detected in the storage cylinders after washing with acetone solution, which indicated that the tars were deposited on the inside wall of each storage cylinder. The amount of tars was correlated with the temperature. The low storage temperature precipitated more tars under pressure during storage. Thus this study showed that syngas could be stored with no major adverse affects caused by temperatures of -15°C to 45°C. Also, pressures up to 8274 kPa had no effect on syngas composition at the tested temperatures. Additional studies should be conducted on deposition of tars at low temperatures during storage, condensation of heavy hydrogen carbons, quantification of tar deposited on the storage surface, and deterioration of the storage surface (especially when sulfur compounds exit in syngas). I'm working on a real world, home built practical test, hope to share my results by DEC 2010. Keep up the good work. D. Walley BS,EE
Thanks for the info! K in PA
Mr Walley, Thanks for your comments.
The most important point that needs to be understood is that because woodgas is not syngas that the energy that is required to compress and store it makes it impractical to do so. The only way that you would see a return on that equation is if you did not count the cost of the energy to compress the woodgas. It possible to do this but unless you are running the compressor on woodgas to compress the woodgas, the compression equation does not balance. The energy input to compress the extra bulk nitrogen makes this a loosing equation. If you would like to discuss this further free free to email me. My info is on the contact page. Jonathan 5
I have been out of town for a while. I'll hope to get updates soon.
been reading about producer gas for quite a while in mother earth news and lindsay technical bks. the whole history on how it got started.im now trying to put one together from a old water heater than the ones seem too' bulky and heavy any suggestion please email me dabat2b@yahoo.com
I picked up 2 good books from Lindsay publications http://www.lindsaybks.com/index.html producer gas for motor vehicles isbn 1-55918-187-7 and gas-engines & producer gas plants isbn 1-55918-245-8 a good read. jim rice lavale, md
Look forward to exploring this site and others more thoroughly as we have found some basic plans and are now gathering materials to build gasifier capable of fueling 25kw generator. Experts able to communicate with machinists invited to pow-wow. Patrick Shannon New River
Can this "woodgas be used in a diesil ? jsinternational10@hotmail.com
Thank you for a very interesting site,,,my name is David Ponsonby, an old retired engineer, living in the middle of Tasmania, Australia, Andover area...I have just acquired an old war time gas producer to study the way it worked, am going to make a wood gas generator to supply a small engine for my own electricy generation, with both Wind and Solar to feed the battery back up bank when the engine is off due to recharging the wood hopper...I suffer many power outages, 62 the other year, hard with an all electric cottage, and power here in this state went up 40% last year and is going up again now each year we have been told...Sooo, I'll now note this site, thank you very much for it's creation and the information in it... Bye, David Ponsonby... vk7adm@activ8.net.au
Hi, I first heard of wood gasification at a Midwest Renewable Energy Fair in Custer Wisconsin in 2009. I got the CD they had there and viewed it. I forgot where the people were - but they were having fun creating "syn gas" and running a small IC engine on it. I found the link to your site in Mother Earth News (Feb/Mar 2010) and the link to this site. I'm interested in learning more about producing syn/wood gas and use it in practical ways. Not to be a nag - but there are a few English/grammar mistakes on your home page that really should be corrected to give the site a more professional/credible look. Just my 2 cents.
Never intended to have a "profesional site" This is all about the back yard guy making it work!! Your grammer maybe better but how is your woodgas project?
You sight has inspired me. I have 4 sawmills and no way to dispose of it waste and now I see an alternative to land filling the waste.
I just found out that this is possible. I am interested in powering a generator. I am at the very beginning stage but find this very interesting. Thank You for this information. Bryan
Thanks so much for your efforts, I look forward to studying your content about gasifiers. Mike Talley
thanks for some very nice photos, i will keep checking in every now and a again... andy wilcock.uk
look for some good books on wood gas
Hello Jonathan ,It'really a great potential for us.i will try to contact you www.partsmetal.com
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Thanks for the site.. I am very interested in wood gas. I am looking for more hands on do it yourself info.. videoman500@hotmail.com
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thanks a wonderful site to learn about woodgas. i would have a question, a 2 liter cyl gas engine is big enough to run on woodgas? kind regards marc
thanks a wonderful site to learn about woodgas. i would have a question, a 2 liter cyl gas engine is big enough to run on woodgas? mtorrades50@gmail.com kind regards marc
Hi Jonathan, I started building a gasifier about 4 months ago. I would love you to see it and guide me along. I just purchased a '94 ford 150 pick up to run this on. I have fired it up four times without too much success. I am not sure where I am going wrong. It is an Imbert. 10" chamber,reduced to 6' with 30 3/8' tuyres about 7" above the grate. It doesn't seem to get hot enough though. I am replacing the air pump tomorrow. ( I can send you some photos if you would like me to. thanks Ted tbone188@gmail.com
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Finally! Took some time but found a website about making gasoline from wood. If it worked in the 40's why not now? Robin Warren Red River North of Dallas